Woman in middle of monkey lawsuit speaks out
By
Emily Rittman
Story Created:
Jul 17, 2008
Story Updated:
Jul 17, 2008
As KSPR first told you, A Springfield woman is taking some of the biggest names in the city to court.
That includes Wal-Mart, Cox Health and the Springfield-Greene County Health Department.
KSPR talked to the woman about why she's fighting to keep a monkey by her side.
Debby Rose has agoraphobia or a fear of public places along with a panic disorder.
Rose says when the health department sent out 1,000 letters to black list her, she not only couldn't eat out but she couldn't get an education.
Rose says, “He helps me in every daily routine I do."
Richard the monkey is more than a pet to Debby Rose.
He's her service animal. He helps her overcome what she calls crippling anxiety.
Rose says, “He'll encourage me to keep going to move on to the next task."
Richard and Rose go everywhere together. Or at least they did.
Many businesses quit letting Rose and Richard in after the health department sent out the letters to ban the monkey because of food and health codes.
Rose says she was stopped before she could go into the Wal-Mart on Kansas Expressway.
Rose says, “A manager walked in with the letter in his hand laughing saying you’re not getting in here.”
Rose says she and Richard can’t go anywhere that serves food including her daughter’s soccer game, Wal-Mart and even nursing school at Cox Health.
Wal-Mart and Cox Health representatives would not go on camera. Both say they have not formally been served the suit.
Wal-Mart spokesperson Sharon Weber says, “We were following the direction of the local health department.”
Cox Health’s Legal Department sent us this statement. “We have not yet seen the lawsuit so we are unable to comment on Ms. Rose’s allegations. As a health care organization, we are governed by many health and safety guidelines including the Centers for Disease Control. According to these guidelines, a monkey poses significant health risks that other animals do not. Our first priority is to ensure the safety of our patients, employees and visitors. We fully stand behind our decision, and we plan to vigorously defend this lawsuit through the court process.”
Rose says her monkey is just as healthy if not more healthy than a child. Rose says, “We get tested twice a year for blood work. We are perfectly health and clear of any diseases that anyone can catch."
The health department says Richard is still a risk. They also say they've never seen proof he was trained.
As for Richard's hygiene, the monkey wears diapers, showers every day and brushes his teeth. Rose says he also visits a vet.
Rose says Richard is also certified as a service animal by three organizations. She says the local service animal group, the Service Animal Registry of America, and the Missouri Department of Revenue.
In fact, Richard is a restriction on Rose's driver's license.
Rose says, “I was told you can't drive anywhere without your service animal because of your disability."
Rose says it makes no sense for the state to require her to drive with Richard but she can't take him inside anywhere in Greene County.
“Richard enables Debby just like a Seeing Eye dog helps a blind person." Rose’s attorney Jim Arneson said, “I'd like her to be treated like a normal person."
Debby says she does all of her grocery shopping in Polk County.
She goes out to eat and works in Branson, where they allow Richard in businesses.
Rose would like to all in Greene County.
No court date has been set for the civil lawsuit.
Monday, Aug 4 at 7:34 PM vic wrote ...
I too have the same disability. I also have a service animal. The biggest problem is ignorance of the public. Take a little time to read the ADA booklet.
Thursday, Jul 24 at 11:27 PM Glenna wrote ...
I have sympathy for the lady and her condition but that doesn't change the fact that I work at Cox and not only would I not want to work with an RN with a monkey attached to her, I'd hate to be a patient with an RN who has to have a monkey to go to work. Let me tell you first hand, if she thinks she's stressed now, wait until she goes to work in the medical field. She'll need a dozen monkeys to get through the day. And that will be yet another frivolous lawsuit clogging the system needlessly.
Tuesday, Jul 22 at 1:08 PM Shaking my Head wrote ...
As someone who is paired with a medical alert service animal, my problem is that this monkey isn't task trained and thus isn't a service animal, but an Emotional Support Animal (ESA). Just "being there" isn't a task. I have a sneaking suspicion that she chose the monkey for the attention it would get her, which isn't something that someone with her stated medical conditions would do.
Monday, Jul 21 at 5:06 PM SHE IS A FAKE wrote ...
Then they ask what can he do if he is a service animal and after not getting a response from her after asking several times I could contain myself no longer and told them he was trained to dial 911 and tell them where they are at in case of an emergency(of course this was a joke because I personally knew he did nothing at all) I have seen this woman walk into businesses and when they refuse to allow an animal in them she then as for a manager and takes the persons name down and says I will ad
Monday, Jul 21 at 5:06 PM SHE IS A FAKE wrote ...
I have personally seen Richard attack someone and lay their hand wide open. Joel was his name and he was trying to have a relationship or should I say hoping to score with Debby because Joel is a married man after all. I remember being out in public with Debby and her telling people Richard was a service animal and when questioned how he serviced her I about busted up laughing at that one.
Monday, Jul 21 at 5:05 PM SHE IS A FAKE wrote ...
This woman also has about 50 aminals on only a 2 acre area(thats all that is cleared and with pens on them) at her home well its not her home it actually belongs to her elderly mother - which by the way another macaque attacked her and she had to have alot of stitches. Imagine subjecting your elderly mother to that in her 80's. That monkeys name is Reese and they still have him along with about 20 other monkeys that do get loose up on that hill occassionally.
Monday, Jul 21 at 3:40 PM Anonymous wrote ...
Richard wears diapers, takes and shower and brushes his teeth.....thats more than my husband does!!! you go richard! cde
Monday, Jul 21 at 12:15 PM Anonymous wrote ...
leave richard alone....he looks nice in this little blue shirt!!!!! i bet he didn't get it at Walmart!
Sunday, Jul 20 at 4:30 AM anon wrote ...
I would much rather see Richard at Walmart or other stores than the unruly, destructive and UNATTENDED children I am subjected to on a daily basis. What's worse is the mothers giggling as their toddlers in diapers climb and sit on food items right at the deli counter. Obnoxious. I hope Richard sets these brats straight.
Sunday, Jul 20 at 12:08 AM Krystal wrote ...
Great point that someone made above - How could Cox Nursing school have discriminated against her and her monkey when the fact is that even if she completed a degree there is no hospital that would hire her to provide care to clients while carrying a monkey on her hip! Also, I am passionate about helping others, but I do not see the point in putting thousands of people at a health/safety risk so that one woman, ONE, can have relief from anxiety. We should think of the greater good.
Saturday, Jul 19 at 10:06 PM Donna wrote ...
I have known Debbie and Richard for 5 years. Richard and Debbie have gone beyond any requirements placed on them. Debbie has Richard tested regularily for anything that can be passed on to humans or other animals. Richard is a service animal and part of her family. This is one of the worst discrimination and violations of the ADA I have seen in my career. And moreover - Richard is so much better behaved than most of the kids I have seen at Cracker Barrel and the Walmart in Springfield.
Saturday, Jul 19 at 6:46 PM Monalisa wrote ...
It has been proven the herpes B virus is not in primates living in homes because they are so many generations from the jungle, the tests that the CDC and activists use are on monkeys in labs and zoos whuch are still imported to this day primates for the pet trade (home monkeys) have not been allowed to be imported sence 1976. these figures used are for scare tactics to take our rights away not only to keep them as pets but as service animals
Saturday, Jul 19 at 6:01 PM Bobby wrote ...
I hope they just laugh at this woman when she goes to court because this is just wrong in sooo many ways. Clearly a dog is different from a monkey. Dogs are made to be service animals monkeys are wild animals... If she chooses to have "the monkey" as a pet that is her choice but her bring in this wild animal in to a hospital, restaurant,or store... Is wrong. what if the monkey was to bite a child and give it some illness??? Then what would happen? I just think this is a joke..
Saturday, Jul 19 at 1:23 AM Reapocide wrote ...
I to have met rose and Richard. They have shopped in the store i work in for years.Richard has never been a problem.The only problem are the people who do not respect that he is a service animal,and walk up and try to play with him.He is not dangerous health wise or in any other way. My 8yr old niece who also has met Richard would agree.
Friday, Jul 18 at 10:20 PM Lucia wrote ...
That monkey is a macaque -unlike dogs, macaques pose a significant health risk to humans. Up to 80% of macaques carry herpes B virus infection- which in a human can be fatal. www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol4no1/ostrowsk.htm There is no vaccine against it and no 100% reliable test to determine if the monkey is a carrier. Professionals consider all macaques as potential carriers. Moreover, it is cruel and selfish to keep this monkey as a pretend human for the benefit of this woman's "handicap".
Friday, Jul 18 at 10:05 PM mona wrote ...
well if its not one thing its another ,fight for your right to keep your monkey ..an dont give up stay strong .even when it seems the system is getting there way ..just fight even harder i understand your needs for him an i think your doing all you can to keep it a safe an healthy enviroment for everyone ever in contact with you ...an if a service dog is acceptable why not a monkey? you have my signature if ya need one .good luck an dont go banana's it will work its a registered service animal.
Friday, Jul 18 at 9:38 PM SixStringStu wrote ...
The ADA laws do not protect theraphy animals for equal accomodation (other then housing). They make a distinction between Service animal and companion animal. Still there remains much ignorance in the public as it pertains to service animals and ADA law. I recently discovered this personaly, after relocating to a part of the country still twenty years behind. My animal began as a companion animal the same as returning vets are recieving for PTSD. Now he is a Medical Alert Service Animal.
Friday, Jul 18 at 8:54 PM Disabled Animal Trainer wrote ...
I would like to speak with Debbie and Richard as would like to share some very important information with them. lady1only969@yahoo.com
Friday, Jul 18 at 6:03 PM patsy wrote ...
I believe the origination of AIDS began with monkeys in Africa? No wonder no one wants him in any store. If she is a nurse, what is the hospital/doctor thinking. Does he wear sterile gloves to work?
Friday, Jul 18 at 1:58 PM Boxer wrote ...
I posted my thoughts about this ridiculous lawsuit on my blog at rottenzucchini.com/2008/07/monkeying-with-our-legal-system/
Friday, Jul 18 at 1:31 PM Tonya wrote ...
I suffer from the same disorder and would like to know how to get an animal listed as a service animal in Pa It's awful trapped in your own home because the world frightens you if I can't get my youngest daughter or boyfriend to go with me I won't go if I have a panic attack I get disoriented my boyfriend has witnessed this....It's lillegal to question a person's disability under the ada So why is green county above the law?
Friday, Jul 18 at 1:13 PM Mike S. wrote ...
Finally, someone with a brain...you are right Alex, this is descrimination ans it is protected under law. I understand that some may not like monkeys, but they are a recognized service animal and even though they pose a health risk, all other animals do too. I think the health department should have handled it better and limited their objections to food prep areas, not the entire building. as to being a nurse, there are doctors who have dogs with them as they work. The monkey must be allowed too
Friday, Jul 18 at 10:55 AM Alex Allen wrote ...
I was shocked at the comments I have read on this blog. I could not believe there are so many ignorant people still left on this planet. All amnimals, including dogs and monkies pose a health and bite risk to humans. THEY ARE ANIMALS! Furthermore, until the Law is changed, this monkey is classified as a service animal and is protected under ADA Federal Law. The County and Business will lose for discrimination against a person with a recognized disability. Get ready to pay her!
Friday, Jul 18 at 8:33 AM tk wrote ...
Let me guess: the monkey touches and examines all the fruit she's considering buying, touches and hands her hospital equipment?
Thursday, Jul 17 at 8:56 PM Fuzzy Squirrel wrote ...
Bunch of bull. She should not be permitted in any store with the monkey. It's just a game she is playing. If she needs help thn let her get counciling like every one else.
Thursday, Jul 17 at 6:42 PM Helen wrote ...
There is a lot of things a monkey can get from a person and then transfer it on to someone else. People working in a hospital wash their hands several times a day to prevent transfer of infection and disease. I kind of doubt her monkey is doing that. And just because that monkey is healthy now doesn't mean that it couldn't become ill just after an exam and then transfer a disease all over the place before she realized it was sick. After all it's not like the monkey could tell her it was ill.
Thursday, Jul 17 at 5:00 PM dan wrote ...
I would like to thank the health dept, Cox, the resturants that are keeping within the guidelines, and Wal-mart for taking the necessary steps to keep my family and others safe. I hope that people do not believe that anxiety suffers are like this woman. Anxiety disorders are crippling and are not easily fixed by a pet monkey or any other animal. Miss Rose is an example of how mental illness can continue to be taken as not "real". Shame on her and shame on her "lawyer".
Thursday, Jul 17 at 4:48 PM RONDA wrote ...
Just because you love an animal does NOT mean it is appropriate as a service animal. Monkeys’s have a higher incidence of biting, and carry far more diseases than any other service animal. For a woman who suffers such crippling anxieties she did an amazing job being followed by cameras, being interviewed, and drawing attention that crippling anxiety suffers could never survive on any given day. If I enter a store, restaurant, hospital etc., and a monkey & she are there I PROMISE I will sue.
Thursday, Jul 17 at 3:06 PM Beth wrote ...
For the record - The CDC has said that a primate is more of a health hazard than a dog because there is a lot more diseases that can be transferred from a human to a primate and from primate to a human, which is why they are NOT suppose to be in a hospital setting even as a service animal. Also when you go to nursing school you are required to complete a certain number of clinical hours (in a hospital) so it would be impossible to complete a nursing degree with a monkey as a service animal.
Thursday, Jul 17 at 1:18 PM Doreen Owens wrote ...
ADA Proposal / Nondiscrimination on the Basis of Disability by Accommodations and in Commercial Facilities(about service animals) We urge you to contact your local political representatives directly to voice your concern.Find a list of rep. at www.congress.gov. Address written comments concerning this NPRM to:ADA NPRM, P.O. Box 2846,Fairfax,VA 22031-0846 OR TO Disability Rights Section,Civil Rights Division,U.S.Department of Justice,1425 New York Ave. NW.,Suite4039,Washington,DC 20005
Thursday, Jul 17 at 1:06 PM Doreen Owens wrote ...
President Bush and his administration plans to update the Disability Act.One proposal will be is to exclude all exotic animals as service animals include monkeys. They proposal only domestic animals meaning dogs.This will be devastating to those who depend on a monkey to help them be less dependent on humans.This would mean the end of Helping Hands Organization who places train monkeys with quadriplegic people.Submit electronic comments http:// www.regulations.gov.Deadline is Aug.17th
Thursday, Jul 17 at 12:27 PM Elisha wrote ...
I saw a documentary once on Nova called "The Outsiders" about people who had monkeys and how often the monkeys would turn to destructive behavior and even biting and scratching people. If this monkey is out in public, it's only a matter of time before he bites a child or someone who gets too close, in my opinion. I don't care of he's vaccinated... he still has the capacity to attack another human and from the way the Nova documentary put it, it's more of a guarantee that eventually he will.
Thursday, Jul 17 at 8:41 AM Gail Du Ross - Harrison, AR wrote ...
My husband and I have been watching the story about Debby Rose being discriminated against regarding her monkey Richard and have a question. How can she be a nurse and have her monkey with her? I would not like to have her, as a nurse, attending me with her monkey in the same room. Gail Du Ross Harrison, AR
Thursday, Jul 17 at 12:30 AM shelly wrote ...
i personally have met debbie and richard and i have him in action helping her he is no more a health hazard than a seeing eye dog is or some people out there who don't take showers everyday so i say you go girl i hope you win your case and as for walmart i will start shopping at k-mart from now on.
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